Curse

Shadowspawn X · Jul 13, 2010, 04:40 PM // 16:40

Party animal and sweet tooth are horrible titles. They should go away, because no title should be based just on spending gold imo. Drunkard is at least requiring you to do something for the title other than spend gold.

Mintha Syl · Jul 13, 2010, 04:42 PM // 16:42

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Originally Posted by Targren

Dwarven stability, not so much.

I whish I had it with me back when I did Frostmaw's....

Fay Vert · Jul 13, 2010, 05:12 PM // 17:12

Well on the one hand it's pointless grind so I see no reason why it shouldn't be removed. But then on the other hand, why not just consume as you play? Why subject yourself to the grind when you don't have to and you can still get the title.

There is also the matter of the skills that work off drunk to consider too.

jonnieboi05 · Jul 13, 2010, 07:01 PM // 19:01

Have fun.

ac1inferno · Jul 13, 2010, 07:42 PM // 19:42

It really should be for consistency with the other titles, but this has been suggested before.

Coraline Jones · Jul 13, 2010, 09:14 PM // 21:14

Drunkard will never change. The Drunkard title used to be simplified and you could accumulate minutes easily and quickly by repeatedly zoning. Then ArenaNet intentionally removed the "exploit" so people had to grind out the minutes. It doesn't matter what you do now. You will remain drunk, even if you switch servers, move to different towns, etc. I heard that even if you logout, the minutes are now counted on the server side so you still remain drunk or you just lose the minutes.

In short, ArenaNet went through a very thorough and complete fix to ensure that nobody could "abuse" drunkard ever again. So what you're asking is to effectively remove a fix that they went through a lot of trouble to implement in the first place.

Here are some other things that people want that will never happen in Guild Wars. We might as well mention them now so people quit asking for them:
* Increasing player heroes from three to seven in a party.
* Fixing Jade Quarry so the archers on the Luxon side work properly.

Showtime · Jul 13, 2010, 09:53 PM // 21:53

Drunk title is the silliest imo even though it works with skills. 10k minutes eh? 1st time I read that, I thought it was a mistype. GW wasn't supposed to be about grind, but without a speed option, that what it is... A 10,000 minute grind! GOOD JOB PROGRAMMERS!!! That adds so much to the game.

That's my avatar working on the drunk title btw.

HawkofStorms · Jul 13, 2010, 10:26 PM // 22:26

Dear A.net,
I want a reward but don't want to have to put in the effort to get it. Please make stuff easier for me.

Cuilan · Jul 13, 2010, 10:28 PM // 22:28

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Dear A.net,
I want a reward but don't want to have to put in the effort to get it. Please make stuff easier for me.

There isn't any effort in standing around clicking an item.

Coney · Jul 13, 2010, 10:40 PM // 22:40

Uhh, because...

You are clearly NOT DRUNK ENOUGH!!!

EDIT: There is a way to get 3 drunk minutes for 1.5 minutes playtime now, but *I WILL NEVER TELL YOU HOW*!!!

(HINT: try Boreal chest running)

MithranArkanere · Jul 13, 2010, 10:51 PM // 22:51

Because one of the three evils in human culture.
The three evils are faith, tradition and custom.

Faith means doing something just because your are told so.
Tradition means to do something just because it has been done for a long time.
And custom means to do something just because many other people do the same.

In this case, it's tradition. It's like that because it has been always like that.

We humans come with a nasty 'keep statues quo' gene that prevents many changes towards something better.

I'm not saying that Drunkard should change to be just a use-item-get point method like the other two, but it has the problem of being too game-breaking. If you try to get it while playing, you can't disable postprocessing and know if you need another drink just by looking. You have to either keep prost-processing, or keep the hero panel open, or keep a stopwatch or something like that. You have to stop to drink way too often.
Many fights last 2 minutes, but there many others, specially in missions, that allow no pause to drink. Since there are skills that actually benefit from drinks, it's too annoying.

This things would be fixed with the following:
- Increasing the cap from 5 minutes to 15, 20 or more.
No one stays drunk for just 3 minutes after having 5 puny drinks. Me and my Galician liver stay just slightly drunk for a couple of hours after having more than 15 beers.
So, by drinking the same amount of drinks, and spending the same amount of time drunk, with this you'll be able to play without stopping to drink so often.
- Add a way to show the progress even for those that cannot activate postprocessing:
* They could add a purple bar like the experience bar that appears when you select a title. Any title. You could deactivate it either by unselecting a title, or by hiding it in the option panel.
* They could add effect icons for ALL drinks, not just grog. Or a generic drunk icon for all other drinks that do not have one like grog.

Charr · Jul 13, 2010, 11:12 PM // 23:12

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Originally Posted by Targren

Yeah, but by and large, those aren't all that great for general-purpose use even when buffed. Especially for some of the less "popular" classes (my ranger main, e.g.). Drunken Master for the IAS/IMS, sure.

Dwarven stability, not so much. Anti-knockdown is nice, but if you're not using stances, IAU is unstrippable and, unless you're a runner, the few seconds difference isn't much.

I guess you can combine the two at the cost of a quarter of your bar...

It pays off to combine them because when combined they give an exact timer when to take a next drink assuming you are using lvl. 5 alcohol.

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Originally Posted by Shadowspawn X

Party animal and sweet tooth are horrible titles. They should go away, because no title should be based just on spending gold imo. Drunkard is at least requiring you to do something for the title other than spend gold.

Should they remove Wisdom and Zaishen titles as well?

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Originally Posted by Coraline Jones

Drunkard will never change. The Drunkard title used to be simplified and you could accumulate minutes easily and quickly by repeatedly zoning. Then ArenaNet intentionally removed the "exploit" so people had to grind out the minutes. It doesn't matter what you do now. You will remain drunk, even if you switch servers, move to different towns, etc. I heard that even if you logout, the minutes are now counted on the server side so you still remain drunk or you just lose the minutes.

In short, ArenaNet went through a very thorough and complete fix to ensure that nobody could "abuse" drunkard ever again. So what you're asking is to effectively remove a fix that they went through a lot of trouble to implement in the first place.

If my memory serves me right, they took quite a long time to fix it, during which lot of people used the exploit to max their title.

Coney · Jul 13, 2010, 11:20 PM // 23:20

It would be handy if there was an in-game drunk bar telling you when it expires. You (last reply) really spent too much time describing this benefit/cost...

But I ran many missions, using 5 point (and 1 point) alcohols), and the two skills [dwarven stability][drunken master] that mega-benefit from it.

And since I maxed drunkard over a year ago, I hate wasting ales, for measily buffs that force usage of those two said-same skill, that are out-performed by many other EotN skills, *WITHOUT* being drunk...

EDIT: that is key - maybe they need to buff these two skills, beyond the other EotN skills available - as they both require *CHUGGING*...

Firebaall · Jul 13, 2010, 11:31 PM // 23:31

Do it the proper way, stop being a little S.O.B. brat.

If you don't want to do it, go work on another title.

HawkofStorms · Jul 13, 2010, 11:43 PM // 23:43

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Originally Posted by Cuilan

There isn't any effort in standing around clicking an item.

Then why doesn't the OP already have it?

Oh yeah, it's too hard

snaek · Jul 14, 2010, 12:46 AM // 00:46

the only way to fix the drunkard/sweet tooth/party animal title is to remove it

zzzz grind wars

FengShuiDove · Jul 14, 2010, 12:52 AM // 00:52

<---8,500 minutes without a bot, without an exploit, and with a life.

Without paying any real attention, you can easily obtain the title while Vanquishing, Cartographing, doing missions, during festivals, standing around in GH, spamming in Kamadan to buy or sell... if you keep a constant influx of booze entering your character, it ain't that bad of a title at all.

And don't make the argument, "Well, what if you aren't a title chaser?" Then you sure as heck wouldn't be going for one of the costliest and longest titles out there, would you? Don't do it all at once, spread it out from the time you begin accumulating titles and you'll be perfectly fine.

Charr · Jul 14, 2010, 12:57 AM // 00:57

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Then why doesn't the OP already have it?

Oh yeah, it's too hard

There is a huge difference between hard and extremely boring/annoying.
Completing let's say Kurzic/Luxon title is hard and for the most part boring but at least you are doing something.
Drunkard on the other hand is either extremely boring or extremely annoying, boring if you are just sitting there double-clicking an icon every 3 minutes or annoying because you have to check all the time to see is 3 minutes passed.

Cuilan · Jul 14, 2010, 12:57 AM // 00:57

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Then why doesn't the OP already have it?

Oh yeah, it's too hard

Because it's extremely boring as hell and dumb.

Sirius Bsns · Jul 14, 2010, 04:36 AM // 04:36

Children have plenty of time to burn, hence they favor the [/quote]challenge[/unquote] of burning away their time, kind of like that time when Bill Gates tossed a million dollars in his fire place just to keep his dog laying nearby warm.

I on the other hand don't have nearly as much time, and so I value every second of it. Down with the current 10k minute-wasting Drunkard title requirement!